Leaked: Six Nations squads

With Six Nations on the horizon, OvallyBalls operatives have been sharpening their pencils (and their rapier-like wits).

Enzo’s Ireland squad

I’ll make tough choices and keep it to a lean-ish 36/37. However, I will do honourable mentions. The players will be in order from best to rest, where applicable. I’ll explain otherwise.

LHP: Healy, Kilcoyne, McGrath – JMcG has found a bit of form although the first two are miles ahead. Nods to Buckley and Eric O’Sullivan.

HK: Kelleher, Herring, Scannell – fuck it, chuck the kid in, he looks fantastic. Failing that it has to be Herring over Scannell.

THP: Furlong, Porter, O’Toole – first two miles ahead, pick themselves. O’Toole is not the third best THP in Ireland, John Ryan and Marty Moore are both better and, if it comes to starting a big game, they should leapfrog TO’T. But he has huge potential and should be in the group.

SR: Ryan, Henderson, Beirne, Kleyn – first two a good bit ahead. Beirne’s form has dipped a bit. Big Dev and Dillane and Roux are all fine but none have form that’s compelling enough to get rid of Kleyn, who has been good and put in one awesome performance against Sarries, which is hard to ignore. Still shouldn’t necessarily play, however.

BR: van der Flier, Doris, Stander, Ruddock, Connors, Deegan, O’Donoghue – no POM, he’s been shit for a year, everyone talks about his leadership so it’s time to have a word with himself and find some form. No room for sentiment. He’s not even next man in, Sean Reidy is the unluckiest guy to not make Enzo’s definitive group. First three would be my starters. Doris has to play.

SH: Cooney, Murray, Blade – self explanatory.

OH: Sexton, Ross Byrne, Burns – JS is still our best ten by miles, until Harry Byrne takes the shirt off him. Carbery would be ahead of Burns (definitely) and Byrne (probably? maybe? maybe not, actually) if fit. I’m as surprised as anyone to be pencilling in Billy Burns and, if Carty wasn’t playing like shit and Hanrahan was a bit more fit, I’d probably not have him.

CT: Ringrose, McCloskey, Henshaw, Aki – Chris Farrell and Luke Marshall are the unluckiest, maybe Tom Farrell too (injuries took away any chance he had). Ringrose is our best centre and my issue with him is that someone needs to tell him the expectation is that he’ll be the best in the world, or thereabouts, for the next few years so time to start playing like it. Given his form since the WC, maybe that conversation took place. McCloskey has been awesome for Ulster and, given we lack a massive carrier in the pick, I think should take the shirt. Henshaw however has been playing well. Aki is Aki, nearly always fit (an underrated quality) and solid.

B3: Stockdale, Larmour, Conway, Lowe, Addison – no Earls is the big news but he’s 32 and even if he wasn’t I’d not have him ahead of these guys. They all play wing and at least four play full back but, IMO, it’s Larmour at 15 with Addison behind him, while Stockdale and Conway are on the wings, although Lowe has to get some time there too.

Chimpie’s Scotland squad

LH: Dell? Bhatti? Sutherland? Our options here are un-good, none of whom are really first picks anywhere. would include Reid but he’s languishing in super-6 land. Need Kebble to qualify pronto.

Hooker: Brown, McInally, Turner. In that order currently although Rambo & Brown are pretty much interchangeable.

TH: Z-Fags, Nel, Bergs. zander has been on good form of late. Wullie can still scrum but otherwise looks a little off the pace.

Lock: Gray (smaller), Cummins, Gilchrist & Toolis. Skinner may be back up to speed soon in which case I’d have him in, no real idea what larger Gray is up to. if on form I’d include him.

Back row: Bradbury, Ritchie, Watson, M-Fags, Thomson. I’m sure Toonie will add Wilson. I’d have Crosbie in there too.

SH: Price, Horne, errr….. Pyrgos? Not much else in the cupboard really. SHC is odd-jobbing in France. Shiel looks good but hasn’t had may pro starts. Glasgow appear to have unearthed a fetus of potentially great talent but bit early to tell.

FH: Finn, Hastings. Behind that the cupboard is somewhat bare. I’d give Weir a chance, but others seem to think Horne is a 10. Yes he can do a brief job there but he’s not an international 10.

Centre. Jones, Scott, Hutchinson, Taylor, Johnson, Bennett, Harris all in the mix, could be a contentious area. They’re all regular starters, difficult to know who to leave out. would personally cut to Jones, Scott, Hutch & Taylor but who knows. Horne will probably make it.

Back 3: Hogg, Graham, Maitland, Kinghorn, McGuigan

Yosoy’s Wales squad

LH: Wyn Jones, Carré, Evans – Smith sucks so doesn’t make the cut, Carré can’t get a game, Evans is miles off last year’s form and Wyn Jones is serviceable. Overall rating: weak

Hooker: Ken, Dee, Elias – fine. Overall rating: tidy

TH: Dillz, Brown, WillGriff John – Guess work here as WG John is getting talked up and I only remember him as a powder puff scrummager that was Scott Andrews-lite. Dillz has played once since the RWC, Fatty Francis is too fat to play (injured, truthfully) and Brown is an awful technician in the tight. Overall rating: piss weak

Locks: President Jones, Beard, Ball, BAILLCH (British and Irish Lions Legend Cory Hill) – fine, same bunch as last year. Overall rating: half-tidy

Back row: Taulupe, Wainwright, Tipuric, Navidi, Shingler, Moriarty, Griffiths – Pivac is picking Shingler whether Iksy likes it or not. The starters should be Taulupe, Wainwright + 1. If they’re going to pick an 8th ‘rower, then pick Basham who’s a proper hard twonk. Griffiths makes Warburton look durable but Pivac was talking him up so…. overall rating: better than 10 Superbowls. Better than 19 Superbowls if Ellis comes back okay next season

SH: Tomos, Davies, G & whoever. Don’t care. Pick Tomos and sit back. overall rating: tidy

The Tenz: Everyone loves Dan Biggar, Jarrod, Sam Davies – not great. Can’t really play Turkball with Biggar, can’t trust Jarrod. overall rating: worrying

Centrez: Parkesy and whoever else is standing. Probably Scott Williams, Watkin will make some of the 6N. Too early for Benny T. Tyler Morgan looks done, wouldn’t surprise me to see Adams play 13 v Italy. overall rating: let’s not talk about it

Wingz: Adams, North, Lane Train, McTurkle, Amos Exprezz – overall rating: choo choo

FB: Halfpenny, Liam might be fit? – overall rating: good to tidy

MisterIks begs to differ in some respects.

Further reading

Chimpie’s synopsis of the Pro-Woo standings

Yosoy on Alun Wyn Jones and the woeful state of the Ospreys

Tichtheid on the Scottish looseheid predicament

On the telly this week

Friday 10th January

Bath 19 – 25 Harlequins19:45BT Sport 2
La Rochelle 30 – 23 Sale19:45BT Sport 3

Saturday 11th January

Bordeaux 32 – 17 Edinburgh12:45epcrugby.com
Ospreys 15 – 22 Saracens13:00Channel 4 / BT Sport 2
Clermont 29 – 13 Ulster13:00BT Sport 3
Calvisano 19 – 47 Pau13:30 epcrugby.com
Castres 42 – 14 Dragons14:00 epcrugby.com
Agen 24 – 52 Wasps14:00 epcrugby.com
Stade Français-24 – 29 Zebre14:00 epcrugby.com
Worcester 66 – 10 Enisei-STM15:00 epcrugby.com
Bristol 52 – 3 Brive15:00 epcrugby.com
Glasgow 31 – 31 Exeter15:15BT Sport 2
Connacht 7 – 21 Toulouse15:15BT Sport 3
Bayonne 27 – 10 London Irish16:00 epcrugby.com
Gloucester 29 – 6 Montpellier17:30BT Sport 2
Scarlets 15 – 27 Toulon20:00S4C / BT Sport 2

Sunday 12th January

Northampton 33 – 20 Treviso13:00BT Sport 2
Leinster 42 – 14 Lyon13:00BT Sport 3
Racing 92 39 – 22 Munster15:15BT Sport 2
Leicester 30 – 20 Cardiff15:15 epcrugby.com

785 thoughts on “Leaked: Six Nations squads

  1. tichtheid's avatartichtheid

    “On a plate? Or slate? Or a piece of wood?
    And how were the chips offered? ”

    Plate, so a proper place, they don’t need to impress with gimmicks.

    The chips were over-cooked – rosemary fries they said, wood chips, I say

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  2. thaumaturge's avatarthaumaturge

    Was supposed to be for my graduation ceremony after the PGCE but we didn’t go to the ceremony just to the 2-day piss up afterwards.

    A man after me own heart. I’m suspicious of ceremonies, but piss-ups are grand.

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  3. tichtheid's avatartichtheid

    Tam, I seen to remember Roberto Carlos battering freekicks straight into row 58 for Real Madrid for years, too

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  4. tompirracas's avatartompirracas

    That Toulon pack is seriously muscular. Etzebeth looks like a regular Joe among them.

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  5. tichtheid's avatartichtheid

    Good feet and powerful finish, it helps to have Big Eben latching on

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  6. tichtheid's avatartichtheid

    Hoverin’ by my suitcase
    Tryin’ to find a warm place to spend the night
    A heavy rain a fallin’
    Seems I hear your voice callin’
    “It’s all right”
    A rainy night in Llanelli
    A rainy night in Llanelli
    I believe it’s rainin’ all over the world

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  7. yosoy's avataryosoy

    Cardiff Legend Casey Laulala on the Toulon coaching team.

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  8. tichtheid's avatartichtheid

    Bit of a nightmare for 1/2p

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  9. flair99's avatarflair99

    One of my favourite player, if only for his seize, Halfpenny having a nightmare. 3rd try for Toulon.

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  10. yosoy's avataryosoy

    What a mess. Huget would have been proud of that.

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  11. tompirracas's avatartompirracas

    Messy but another try for Toulon. Savea this time.

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  12. flair99's avatarflair99

    Size, not seize.
    And I’m not on the douze.

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  13. tompirracas's avatartompirracas

    Seize is Welsh for size*, flair. We’ll make an international referee of you yet.

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  14. tompirracas's avatartompirracas

    * It’s not.

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  15. Borderboy's avatarBorderboy

    Flair would certainly be a better ref than Poite, even if he only spoke Elvish to the teams. I suspect that’s what Poite was speaking tonight (for both sides).

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  16. thaumaturge's avatarthaumaturge

    We were at a match a few years ago where Poîte got clattered. Loved it.

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  17. yosoy's avataryosoy

    Bit of niggle in this one, just like the reverse fixture.

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  18. tichtheid's avatartichtheid

    That is a powerful Toulon pack, blimey

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  19. tompirracas's avatartompirracas

    Poite’s immaculate performance during the first half of that Eng;and-Italy game in 2017 is still one of my favourite reffing displays of all time.

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  20. tompirracas's avatartompirracas

    Power play again from Toulon. Impressive stuff.

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  21. likeadogonabone's avatarlikeadogonabone

    Quite the maul Toulon have.

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  22. likeadogonabone's avatarlikeadogonabone

    The playing conditions look a little moist.

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  23. tichtheid's avatartichtheid

    “Size, not seize.”

    It’s funny how the brain work, I only read it as “size”, probably because seize wouldn’t have made sense in that sentence.

    I watched an experiment on this, and your brain does sort words into what “works”

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  24. flair99's avatarflair99

    TomP, I’d love to have the ability ( and the age) of an international ref. Hence my usual reluctance to criticize them.
    Even if I had to learn Welsh- which seems a very difficult language, especially in its spelling! – I’d be ready to sign a Faustian pact to be young and able again.
    On that note, Toulon get the BP with a 4th try.
    Coïncidence? Mmmm….

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  25. ClydeMillarWynant's avatarClydeMillarWynant

    I guess Scarlets are more used to the conditions, but they suit the team with the bigger pack and the better kickers and it’s pretty clear who that is.

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  26. tichtheid's avatartichtheid

    I’m completely with you on the language, Flair. Rugby referees only really need around 20 or so words and phrases, it’s not difficult and if they hope to referee games between clubs on the European stage they should learn those phrases in French and Italian. When it comes to Argentina they will have to learn another 20, very similar, phrases in Spanish.

    It’s almost like there are skills one must acquire if one wants a new/better job

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  27. tompirracas's avatartompirracas

    The spelling’s not that hard (- but take my word I don’t speak Welsh). Every letter has a value, everything is pronounced. There’re even diacritics to make a Frenchman feel at home.

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  28. ClydeMillarWynant's avatarClydeMillarWynant

    “There’re even diacritics to make a Frenchman feel at home.”

    Most of them are on Wales Online.

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  29. tompirracas's avatartompirracas

    I’m not being an English language imperialist about this but it’d be easier for the players to learn the English than for the refs to learn the not Englishes.

    Also there’s a Russian team in this year’s Losers’ Cup.

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  30. likeadogonabone's avatarlikeadogonabone

    He fielded that catch like I would have.

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  31. Davies doing his best impression of a rag doll there.

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  32. likeadogonabone's avatarlikeadogonabone

    A little fracas to warm the blood.

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  33. tichtheid's avatartichtheid

    “I’m not being an English language imperialist about this but it’d be easier for the players to learn the English than for the refs to learn the not Englishes. ”

    Why English?

    Why not French?

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  34. likeadogonabone's avatarlikeadogonabone

    The scrum halves haven’t quite calmed down. Another little exchange.

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  35. ClydeMillarWynant's avatarClydeMillarWynant

    Even the crowd are missing the offsides the ref is missing now.

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  36. likeadogonabone's avatarlikeadogonabone

    Why English?

    Why not French?

    I’d guess that English is used frequently by more people in international situations than the reverse.
    Possibly also because Europeans tend to learn English as one of their other languages, where English speakers rarely learn a second language.

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  37. tompirracas's avatartompirracas

    Indeed. Why not French? Or Italian?

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  38. ClydeMillarWynant's avatarClydeMillarWynant

    Obviously they were missing any by the men in red in the first place, but still.

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  39. likeadogonabone's avatarlikeadogonabone

    *more frequently

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  40. tompirracas's avatartompirracas

    Also, historically rugby was run by an Anglophone concern. France didn’t even get a seat on the IRB until the 1970s. Nobody else until the 1990s.

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  41. Borderboy's avatarBorderboy

    Ticht – I get what you mean but, England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, NZ, Australia, South Africa, USA, Canada all have English as first or second (or perhaps third) languages. I do think refs should know some words in the language of both teams if one isn’t an English speaking country. Look forward to Poite saying, “Haw, Big Man! Gonnae no dae that!”

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  42. ClydeMillarWynant's avatarClydeMillarWynant

    @LADOAB – “I’d guess that English is used frequently by more people in international situations than the reverse.”

    This sentence itself isn’t that bad an effort at ‘the reverse’.

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  43. tichtheid's avatartichtheid

    I’d suggest that if you want to referee in this competition you learn the appropriate phrases in French and Italian for starters, I appreciate that if someone wants to undermine this point they will ask “why not Russian?”

    I’d only say, “why not indeed”

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  44. yosoy's avataryosoy

    Josh Macleod is playing very well this season. He’s quite unlucky that backrow is the only position Wales have any depth.

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  45. likeadogonabone's avatarlikeadogonabone

    A front-rower just tried a little grubber.
    More exciting than the aerial ping-pong that took place just before it

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  46. ClydeMillarWynant's avatarClydeMillarWynant

    You should learn the Russian for “why not indeed” for just such an eventuality.

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  47. likeadogonabone's avatarlikeadogonabone

    @CMW

    I’m still learning how to speak English.

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  48. ClydeMillarWynant's avatarClydeMillarWynant

    @LADOAB – I wasn’t trying to be rude, just amused by the concept of the reverse of English.

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  49. likeadogonabone's avatarlikeadogonabone

    No try. Nine played the other nine without the ball.

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