Preview: Autumn Nations Cup, Round Two

Your week-end programme, unfortunately mostly brought to you by internet providers and subscription television.

Italy/ Fiji  : Saturday 1pm. Cancelled

England/Ireland: Saturday at 3pm

Wales / Georgia: Saturday at 5.15 pm

Scotland/France: Sunday at 4pm

But before that, right after breakfast, you’ll watch the most important game of the week-end, and it has nothing to do with the season.

No, it’s not Ireland at Twickenham, nor France at Murrayfield.

It’s much earlier in the day, and it’s Argentina vs Australia.

Spot the side that was out of focus

Can the Argentineans replicate last Saturday’s fantastic game when they stunned the All Blacks and won 25-15? Can they keep the same intensity and dismantle Australia as well? In the absence of South Africa, could they nick the Tri nations for the first time?

Most neutrals would hope so, but I’m not neutral. I desperately want a win for the South Americans.

Let’s see:

Mario Ledesma has stuck with the same players. Australia have beefed up their pack and recalled a couple of old horses. I doubt it will be enough. When Australia dispatched the ABs B team with not much to spare, Argentina crushed their A team. It suggests a gap in power and organization that Australia should not be able to fill, even in front of their fans. Both teams have great attacking power (often underestimated in Argentina’s case), but Australia’s pack might be on the back foot for long periods, particularly if Nic White is as slow as usual: he’ll be eaten alive by the ferocious Argentina back row.

Open the Malbec, it’s about time.

Argentina: 15 Santiago Carreras, 14 Bautista Delguy, 13 Matias Orlando, 12 Santiago Chocobares, 11 Juan Imhoff, 10 Nicolas Sanchez, 9 Tomas Cubelli, 8 Rodrigo Bruni, 7 Marcos Kremer, 6 Pablo Matera (c), 5 Matias Alemanno, 4 Guido Petti, 3 Francisco Gomez Kodela, 2 Julian Montoya, 1 Nahuel Tetaz Chapparo
Replacements: 16 Santiago Socino, 17 Mayco Vivas, 18 Santiago Medrano, 19 Santiago Grondona, 20 Facundo Isa, 21 Gonzalo Bertranou, 22 Emiliano Boffelli, 23 Santiago Cordero

Australia: 15 Tom Banks, 14 Tom Wright, 13 Jordan Petaia, 12 Hunter Paisami, 11 Marika Koroibete, 10 Reece Hodge, 9 Nic White, 8 Harry Wilson, 7 Michael Hooper (c), 6 Ned Hanigan, 5 Matt Philip, 4 Rob Simmons, 3 Taniela Tupou, 2 Brandon Paenga-Amosa, 1 Scott Sio
Replacements: 16 Folau Fainga’a, 17 Angus Bell, 18 Allan Alaalatoa, 19 Rob Valetini, 20 Liam Wright, 21 Jake Gordon, 22 Noah Lolesio, 23 Filipo Daugunu

Date: Saturday, November 21
Venue: McDonald Jones Stadium, Newcastle
Kick-off: 19:45 local (08:45 GMT)
Referee: Paul Williams (New Zealand)
Assistant referees: Ben O’Keeffe (New Zealand), Angus Gardner (Australia)
TMO: Nic Berry (Australia)

England v Ireland

Gizzus a kiss

A bit after lunch, we’ll sit down on the couch (not too comfortably; we don’t want to fall asleep), and we’ll go to England. It’s basically Group A’s final as neither Wales nor Georgia threaten to top the group after their poor results last week.

England did not particularly set the world on fire vs Italy or Georgia, but they’re solid, experienced and well-rehearsed. They stubbornly follow their game plan to the point that they seem bewildered when it does not work. But it’s mightily efficient against most teams. Will it be enough vs Ireland? A better question would be: can Ireland win in Twickenham without Henderson, Furlong, Carbery, Larmour, Ringrose, Henshaw, Sexton? Irish coaches, like most, are conservative and have not really blooded new players.

For all the deserved praise and success that Ireland enjoy at club level, numbers simply dictate that they don’t have enough players to step in when the starters are injured. Not only will Ireland start with three inexperienced players in key positions (FB, FH, SH), but also with predictable centres and a pack that won’t impress England. And then the bench should make a big difference. There was an interesting analysis of the coming game by Irish legend, Shane Byrne, in Planet Rugby; he knows his stuff better than I do, but unlike him, I can’t see anything but a win for England.

Whose round is it now?

England: 15 Elliot Daly, 14 Jonathan Joseph, 13 Ollie Lawrence, 12 Henry Slade, 11 Jonny May, 10 Owen Farrell (c), 9 Ben Youngs, 8 Billy Vunipola, 7 Sam Underhill, 6 Tom Curry, 5 Joe Launchbury, 4 Maro Itoje, 3 Kyle Sinckler, 2 Jamie George, 1 Mako Vunipola
Replacements: 16 Tom Dunn, 17 Ellis Genge, 18 Will Stuart, 19 Jonny Hill, 20 Ben Earl, 21 Dan Robson, 22 George Ford, 23 Max Malins

Ireland: 15 Hugo Keenan, 14 Keith Earls, 13 Chris Farrell, 12 Bundee Aki, 11 James Lowe, 10 Ross Byrne, 9 Jamison Gibson-Park, 8 Caelan Doris, 7 Peter O’Mahony, 6 CJ Stander, 5 James Ryan (c), 4 Quinn Roux, 3 Andrew Porter, 2 Ronan Kelleher, 1 Cian Healy
Replacements: 16 Rob Herring, 17 Ed Byrne, 18 Finlay Bealham, 19 Iain Henderson, 20 Will Connors, 21 Conor Murray, 22 Billy Burns, 23 Jacob Stockdale

Date: Saturday, November 21
Venue: Twickenham
Kick-off: 15:00 GMT
Referee: Pascal Gauzere (FFR)
Assistant Referees: Mathieu Raynal (FFR), Alex Ruiz (FFR)
TMO: Nigel Owens (WRU)

Wales v Georgia

Now, wake up please, if only for going to the bathroom.  In a few minutes, Wales will take on Georgia.

It may look like a dead rubber to many, but it certainly is not. Both teams desperately need to stop the rot. Georgia’s lame defeats to Scotland and England highlight the gap between tier one and tier two nations: the Georgians will want to prove that they belong to a higher level, but it’s going to be hard. Several of their players play in France, but mostly in the bottom half of the Top 14 or in the ProD2. Expect a lot of naivety in defense and a serious lack of skills in attack.

Wales? According to Boris during PMQs, Wales want to avoid going from the Capitol to the Tarpeian rock, but how? Between Scylla and Charybdis, go with the proven and tested, or with the unknown? Oh Boris, shut up, please! Pivac’s rung the changes: no fewer than thirteen new players, some of them quite exciting. As a game it may not be a classic – such is the difference between the two teams – but at least it should bring back some smiles in Wales.

Wales go off-side again

Time for the kebab.

Wales: 15 Liam Williams, 14 Johnny McNicholl, 13 Nick Tompkins, 12 Johnny Williams, 11 Louis Rees-Zammit, 10 Callum Sheedy, 9 Kieran Hardy, 8 Aaron Wainwright, 7 Justin Tipuric (c), 6 James Botham, 5 Seb Davies, 4 Jake Ball, 3 Samson Lee, 2 Elliot Dee, 1 Wyn Jones
Replacements: 16 Sam Parry, 17 Nicky Smith, 18 Leon Brown, 19 Cory Hill, 20 James Davies, 21 Rhys Webb, 22 Ioan Lloyd, 23 Jonah Holmes

Georgia: 15 Lasha Khmaladze, 14 Akaki Tabutsadze, 13 Giorgi Kveseladze, 12 Merab Sharikadze (c), 11 Sandro Todua, 10 Tedo Abzhandadze, 9 Vasil Lobzhanidze, 8 Beka Gorgadze, 7 Beka Saginadze, 6 Otar Giorgadze, 5 Kote Mikautadze, 4 Grigor Kerdikoshvili, 3 Beka Gigashvili, 2 Jaba Bregvadze, 1 Mikheil Nariashvili
Replacements: 16 Giorgi Chkoidze, 17 Guram Gogichashvili, 18 Lexo Kaulashvili, 19 Lasha Jaiani, 20 Giorgi Tkhilaishvili, 21 Gela Aprasidze, 22 Demur Tapladze, 23 Tamaz Mchedlidze

Date: Saturday, November 21
Venue: Parc y Scarlets
Kick-off: 17:15 GMT
Referee: Luke Pearce
Assistant referees: Andrew Brace, Frank Murphy
Television match official: Joy Neville

Scotland v France

Sunday in Scotland. Coronavember. In the old days pubs would’ve been closed. Just like now.

There’ll be nae fun, ya wee bastarts!

Thank dog for the rugby.

This is going to be an intriguing game, and since Fiji’s games were cancelled, it is in fact the final of the group B. Whoever wins gets to go to Twickenham. Unless, of course, Ireland have prevailed the day before, and Wales wake up from their torpor next week (as it is vs England, they may very well). So strike that, it’s just another game.

Shaun Galthié has named a strong team and with the exception of Ntamack, Bouthier and Cros, it’s the team that dispatched Ireland and Wales rather easily. Shaun Servat and Shaun Ibanez will be happy with their pack, as is Shaun Ghezal with his work at the line out. Shaun Shaun Edwards is not so happy with his pupils as they keep leaking tries, but the other Shauns don’t mind, as they score more tries than their opponents. Speaking of which, Scotland seem a bit weakened with the absence of Finn and his deputy Hastings. But they’ve got a great pack, an outstanding back row (Richie would be the first on my list), and in Hogg the best counter-attacker in Europe (bar Cheslin Kolbe, of course).

I wish I could elaborate but teams have not been announced, so I’ll just predict a wonderful game with plenty of tries.

Shaun Shaun may sulk. I don’t mind.

Oops, here is France. As predicted a couple of days ago.

France : 15. Ramos; 14. Thomas, 13. Vakatawa, 12. Fickou, 11. Rattez ; 10. Jalibert, 9. Dupo,t ; 7.Ollivon (cap.), 8. Alldritt, 6. Cretin ; 5. Taofifenua, 4. Le Roux ; 3. Bamba, 2. Chat, 1. Gros.Bench : 16. Marchand, 17. Baille, 18. Haouas, 19. Willemse, 20. Woki, 21. Couilloud, 22. Carbonel 23. Vincent.

As prognosticated by Flair99

Onna telly this week

Friday 20th November

Harlequins v Exeter19:45BT Sport 1
Sale v Northampton20:00BT Sport Extra

Saturday 21st November

Argentina v Australia08:45Sky Sports Arena
Bulls v Pumas11:55Sky Sports Arena
England v France (women)12:00BBC Two
Bath v Newcastle12:30BT Sport Extra
Cheetahs v Griquas14:25Sky Sports Arena
England v Ireland15:00Channel 4 / Amazon Prime
Leicester v Gloucester15:00BT Sport Extra
Worcester v London Irish15:00BT Sport Extra
Wales v Georgia17:15S4C / Amazon Prime

Sunday 22nd November

Wasps v Bristol13:00BT Sport 1
Zebre v Connacht14:30FreeSports
Scotland v France15:00Amazon Prime
Ospreys v Treviso15:00Premier Sports 2
Leinster v Cardiff17:15S4C / Premier Sports 1
Ulster v Scarlets19:35Premier Sports 1

Monday 23rd November

Dragons v Edinburgh18:00Premier Sports 2
Glasgow v Munster20:15Premier Sports 2

579 thoughts on “Preview: Autumn Nations Cup, Round Two

  1. sunbeamtim's avatarsunbeamtim

    Interesting. Ewels gets a yellow card for head on head in a tackle. Is that a new rule? Tackle looked fine, chest to shoulder, and heads clashed as they went over.

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  2. sunbeamtim's avatarsunbeamtim

    Decent win for Newcastle on their return to top flight.

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  3. TomP, that heartache in Joburg was in a proper Super Rugby tournament, not a constricted Covid clusterfuck.

    Cheetahs-Griquas on now. A real arm wrestle usually between these neighbours.

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  4. slademightbe#42again's avatarsladeis#42

    Pleased for Newcastle
    They set off like a house on fire when last in the Premier league but then their squad was cruelly decimated by injuries and they plumetted.
    They have lost some key players in the interim.

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  5. tompirracas's avatartompirracas

    God, I love kicking.

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  6. Pretty decent start by both sides. Ireland started slightly better.

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  7. Dab's avatarDab

    Hate it when England play like this.

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  8. First Faz tackle penalty. Not much evidence of arms either.

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  9. flair99's avatarflair99

    Thanks all of you for the various links.

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  10. England monstered that scrum. Seem to be much tighter knit than the Irish pack from the aerial cam.

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  11. tichtheid2's avatartichtheid2

    Good kick from Faz, right onna plate for May

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  12. tompirracas's avatartompirracas

    Good try by England.

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  13. Johnny May! Very good score – good kick by Faz. Ireland under the pump a bit.

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  14. thaumaturge's avatarthaumaturge

    Dab – me too.

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  15. Chimpie's avatarChimpie

    It’s the Jonny may show

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  16. 3 points apparently out of vogue these days?

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  17. Dab's avatarDab

    Oh, Sideways!!!

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  18. tichtheid2's avatartichtheid2

    Top drawer stuff from May

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  19. tompirracas's avatartompirracas

    Wow. Hats off.

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  20. Johnny May! That’s stunning! In every sense.

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  21. Chimpie's avatarChimpie

    Definitely more forwards than sideways these days

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  22. sunbeamtim's avatarsunbeamtim

    See what happens when you pass May the ball thru the hands Eddie?

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  23. O’Roux looking dodgy.

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  24. tichtheid2's avatartichtheid2

    That steal from Itoje was brilliant

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  25. Dab's avatarDab

    Does Faz have a brain??

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  26. tompirracas's avatartompirracas

    Great steal by Itoje.

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  27. Irish set piece is all over the place. Getting minced.

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  28. tompirracas's avatartompirracas

    Can Kelleher stay on? Maybe time for Ireland to bring on another Saffer.

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  29. thaumaturge's avatarthaumaturge

    Argh! Why did Earls hesitate?

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  30. tichtheid2's avatartichtheid2

    Thaum, it was like he couldn’t believe he was in the clear

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  31. tompirracas's avatartompirracas

    May saves a try with a good tackle on Keith Earls,

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  32. Absolutely Thauma, Ticht. That was 5 points gone abegging. Ireland have looked a bit better in the last few minutes though.

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  33. thaumaturge's avatarthaumaturge

    Gibson Park off! Cooney Murray on!

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  34. tichtheid2's avatartichtheid2

    Big moment of the game that maul there

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  35. Dab's avatarDab

    Bullshit call from the ref there. Ball was on the ground. Good maul defence from Ireland though.

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  36. tompirracas's avatartompirracas

    Decent maul defence by the Irish.

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  37. England could’ve just about buried the game there.

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  38. tompirracas's avatartompirracas

    What was that Ireland move? Desperate stuff. Not a bad penalty for Underhill to give away.

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  39. I do wish Faz wouldn’t try and rip the ball on every tackle.

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  40. tompirracas's avatartompirracas

    Launchbury has been very very good in this game. And is still the 4th best English forward so far.

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  41. tompirracas's avatartompirracas

    I do wish Faz wouldn’t try and rip the ball on every tackle.

    It’s the only way he’d use his arms.

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  42. tompirracas's avatartompirracas

    I do wish Faz wouldn’t try and rip the ball on every tackle.

    Every tackle?

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  43. Dab's avatarDab

    England forwards are great, but the play from the halfbacks is utterly boring and predictable. It just seems like a really joyless approach to rugby.

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  44. slademightbe#42again's avatarsladeis#42

    The Launch nearly always knocks his man backwards – terrific body strength – BV take note, please!

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  45. Dab's avatarDab

    I think it’s time for England to start looking beyond Billy Vunipola. He’s not breaking the gain line as he used to and looks a bit off the pace in general.

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  46. tichtheid2's avatartichtheid2

    Dab, did you watch Exeter at Quins last night?

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  47. @Tomp – well, the majority of tackles he makes. He attacks the ball and seems to bounce off most of the time.

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  48. Been a couple of seasons since BV terrorized defences to be honest. Axis of 8-9-10 for England needs shaking up. Which would be a bit scary because they’re bossing a decent (not great) Irish side.

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  49. tichtheid2's avatartichtheid2

    Deebs, England need a fullback too, imo, Watson maybe?

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  50. tichtheid2's avatartichtheid2

    What did Itoje do wrong there?

    He wasn’t offside

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