The top two sides in each Pro14 conference face off this weekend: Ulster at home (yay!) to the Blue Meanies (boo!), and Munster hosting Connacht tonight.
In the Premiership, Bath v Exeter looks like the most exciting match.
Onna telly this week
Friday 5th March
Munster v Connacht
19:35
Premier Sports 1
Leicester v London Irish
19:45
BT Sport 1
Sale v Newcastle
20:00
BT Sport Extra
Saturday 6th March
Zebre v Glasgow
14:00
Premier Sports 2
Bath v Exeter
15:00
BT Sport 2
Wasps v Gloucester
15:00
BT Sport Extra
Worcester v Bristol
17:15
BT Sport Extra
Ulster v Leinster
19:35
Premier Sports 1
Ospreys v Dragons
19:35
S4C / Premier Sports 1
Sunday 7th March
Harlequins v Northampton
15:00
BT Sport 1
Edinburgh v Treviso
15:15
Premier Sports 1
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465 thoughts on “A Brief Interlude for Pro-woo and Premiership”
@CMW. Trying not to be racist was a mountain to climb for me, born in the late 50s. And I didn’t even know there was a mountain to climb.
In infants-junior school there was a gypsy boy who came to school for a few months. I remember that when a ball went into the outside toilet drain he was the one forced / expected to fish it out.
As a nipper (8-11) it was normal to mock and persecute the one Polish family living on the same block of the council estate. Pushing cabbages through their letterbox was a particular norm – I didn’t understand why. When they moved house to a street lower down the estate, their belongings were carried on pulled trolleys rather than by a removal van company. So of course some lads found it funny to push their belongings off the trolley and onto the road.
Meanwhile racism and the casual language underpinning it was normal in the comics I read, the street jokes I heard or the songs we sung – on the lips of us all in the playground.
Following on from that there’s the tv and radio I enjoyed at home. The B&W Minstrel Show, and every sitcom and stand-up comedian earning a living in the 70s. Racism was normal, a way of life, not an anomaly.
I was lucky to move to London in my early 20s and work in the Civil Service in central London. Many of my colleagues were black or south Asian so I had to learn and change, and I remember being ripped a new one by a lovely young black woman called Jenny who I worked with at the time. I arrived at work grizzling about a ‘black man’s’ behaviour on the Tube, rather than a ‘man’s’ behaviour’, and she challenged me about my language and attitude. I turned a corner because it was someone I liked and worked with laying it in the line in a very brave way.
I’ve gone on a bit, but what I want to say that is that to this day I still have to try hard not to use lazy, embedded racist tropes and language that comes automatically to me because like a naff song you can’t get it out of your head if you grew up on it.
Went on a bit longer than I planned, but I fear these days that any progress we made feels like sleeping dogs, rather than real change.
Iks – I think there is hope because younger generations really have had this shit educated out of them from a young age, and they never experienced the constant casual racism that you talk about. Fortunately, the ‘PC gone mad’ crowd have lost the battle.
@Thaum – I think this is right. And in terms of older generations there are clearly differences between people being deliberately unpleasant and those who just haven’t kept up with changes in language etc. Now obviously our language reflects our attitudes to some extent, but it has to be seen as a sliding scale I think.
In terms of the drivel in the news though I don’t think “Are you a racist family?” was a meaningful question and as such was unlikely to elicit a meaningful answer.
@Thaum – Well, you know, I’ve got this uncle who I have my suspicions about and then there’s my grandfather who comes out with all sorts. Then there’s whatserface who seems OK, but god knows what she really thinks, but then so and so’s not like that at all etc etc .
I see the northern tribes are all hunkered and bunkered in antici-Pation of the battles to come this weekend. Fair enough! But it means you have to put up with my nonsensical frothing for a while longer. So to it:
Italy’s coach has suggested they’re eight years from parity with the rest of the 6N sides, a lovely way to try and ensure employment in Rome for a decade! To be fair to him, Rome wasn’t built in a day. To be realistic, it’ll take Wales about 10 minutes to dismantle any structures already erected and then kick sand in the face of the beleaguered Italian side. Wales by 30-something
England versus France. One of the great Test battles of global rugby. England have their backs to the wall and need to develop that siege mentality that gets them through by the narrowest of margins. With a pack that can stand toe to toe with anyone, but prone to penalties, will a back division that has failed to spark be up to it against a France side brimming with confidence and sense a wounded prey, there for the taking? Or will a slightly rusty and disrupted France, having sat out a round and had worries over new Covid scares take too long to get into their stride and leave it all a bit late? Tough call! I have a feeling that England will prevail by a point!
And finally, as we get to Sunday’s sumptuous dessert, it’s fury and flash Scotland against fury and bash Ireland. No royal stereotyping here, but this’ll be furious, with flash and bash in equal share. With no idea of the sides for the match, I can confidently say that Scotland’s backs are better (or would be if they’re all fit), but Ireland’s unsmiling forwards have the edge up front. It’s gonna be epic, folks. Scotland by 2 points, late, late in the day.
On the basis of the best stuff we’ve seen from them Italy could make things hard for Wales by scoring a good few points themselves. Even if they do then Wales ought to be able to sort it out and pull away eventually. Chances are though that the Italians won’t be able to cut out the mistakes and will cough up some easy tries to get Wales on their way. Wales by anything from a little to a lot, I’ll go 25.
Expecting a much better performance from England. France might be caught a bit cold and in any case only did just enough against Ireland. No bad result possible, France win or England by 8+ would be best though. England by 7.
Would be really disappointing if Scotland don’t beat Ireland this time round as it will mean no real breakthrough yet again. Fear the worst if they don’t have an outside half though. Can see Scotland being more than competitive up front, but not necessarily making the most of it. Ireland by 6.
‘Scotlandās backs are better (or would be if theyāre all fit), but Irelandās unsmiling forwards have the edge up front.’
Hmm. in the centres Henshaw & Ringrose are better than our Harris (grown into his role of late to be fair) and whoever partners him (likely to be Johnson Judging by the rumours).
Russell fit apparently & happy with him over Sexton or whoever, Price is decent enough.
Likely Maitland / DVDM / Hogg back 3 which I’m more than happy with.
At least equal overall in the backs. Not sure how the forward battle will go. Z-fags is a big loss, and if we let the irish pack get into to their disrupting and boshing stride it will be a long afternoon.
@Chimpie – That’s good news about Russell. I’ll stick with my prediction as even with Russell Scotland haven’t been good enough at converting pressure into points, but hopefully this will be the time when they put everything together.
Wales really have their tails up. Italy will look competitive for the first 30 and then fade. Wales by 30+.
France may come out of the traps a little sluggishly, but England’s indiscipline will gift them territory and points. France by 7
Scotland rely on kicking for territory and Ireland play a possession-based game. Ireland’s forwards will prove too strong for Scotland, despite some excitement and exchanges of the lead. Ireland by 5.
Yes the whole pressure to points conversion thing and wasting opportunities thing is driving me up the wall. Carry on like that we’ll definitely bork it.
@Chimpie – It seems harsh to be critical of them for the England game which was of course magnificent in many ways, but they really should have won by more. The pretty dreadful game in Llanelli is another case in point. Should really have been even further ahead of Wales this last time too so it is a worry. I do think it’s in there for them to batter someone soon, just have a nasty feeling for them about this one, partly because it stands out as an opportunity.
yup. Should have won in England by more. Should have been out of sight by early second have last time out against Wales. Totally arsed a clear try opportunity after half time, then spewed up some penalties, Wales score, red card arrgh etc. etc.
That’s rugby innit.
Thought the game in Llanelli was more in the balance TBH. The wind caused some amusing interludes from memory.
HJ, Sancho Panza and Heimat Zwei are all using the potty now with varying degrees of success. HJ has become interested in what things are, probably more specifically what things are called in English as he doesn’t get any of that at either of his homes. Yesterday’s exchange that I overheard when he was on the potty was a good one:
HJ: What that?
Mrs CMW: That’s a potty.
HJ: What that?
Mrs CMW: That’s a (toy) car.
HJ: What that?
Mrs CMW: That’s your penis.
HJ’s Hungarian mother made me laugh a while back too. Mrs CMW often gives parents a run down of how many times their kids have been to the loo, how many nappy changes and when etc especially if anything has been unusual. While obviously not a normal topic of conversation in everyday life there is of course some sense to this in the circumstances. Anyway she gave Mrs Julio a detailed account of how many poos etc only to receive a stony-faced stare and the question: “Why would I be interested in this?”
It’s become a bit of a family catchphrase as a result.
Richard Freeman guilty of Testosterone dealing……………………………Team Sky and British Cycling will be looking over their shoulders, not to mention one or two ex-stars.
Where’s the Pro when you need him?
w/end forecasts:
Wales by more than 15: they’re a team getting into their stride with something to play for
England by 4: half of me doesn’t want them to win because the house needs shaking up but I think they will
respond out of pride
Ireland by 6: as someone said above, Ireland’s pack are stronger and forwards win matches. Scottish heart and
vigor not enough to compensate
I’m looking forward to all the games – there’s plenty to play for in all of them.
‘your’ Exeter team to play ‘Quins:
15 Facundo Cordero, 14 Alex Cuthbert, 13 Ian Whitten, 12 Tom Hendrickson, 11 Tom OāFlaherty
10 Joe Simmonds (capt), 9 Stu Townsend
1 Alec Hepburn, 2 Jack Innard, 3 Harry Williams
4 Jannes Kirsten, 5 Sam Skinner
6 Dave Ewers, 7 Jacques Vermeulen, 8 Sam Simmonds
16 Elvis Taione, 17 Ben Moon, 18 Marcus Street, 19 Sean Lonsdale, 20 Richard Capstick, 21 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne, 22 Harvey Skinner, 23 Ollie Devoto
Nervous about this and Exeter are shorn of key players, presumably including Sam Skinner (so Exeter website must either know something or have made an error).
Simmonds vs Dombrandt; Simmonds vs. Smith; Townsend in to nullify Care.Just glad Vermeulen and Kirsten are back.
Will be a good contest!
Not really aware of David Cherry either. I guess most of the Pro14 games I’ve seen in the last couple of years have been the Welsh teams playing each other.
Cherry’s a decent player, bit of a late bloomer. Couldn’t get in the pro pathway back in the day, ended up at London Scottish, then stade Nicois & came back to Embra a couple of years ago. Got his dayboo against England.
Solid set piece and decent round the park. Doubt he’ll be our weak point.
Ovally Balls 
@CMW. Trying not to be racist was a mountain to climb for me, born in the late 50s. And I didn’t even know there was a mountain to climb.
In infants-junior school there was a gypsy boy who came to school for a few months. I remember that when a ball went into the outside toilet drain he was the one forced / expected to fish it out.
As a nipper (8-11) it was normal to mock and persecute the one Polish family living on the same block of the council estate. Pushing cabbages through their letterbox was a particular norm – I didn’t understand why. When they moved house to a street lower down the estate, their belongings were carried on pulled trolleys rather than by a removal van company. So of course some lads found it funny to push their belongings off the trolley and onto the road.
Meanwhile racism and the casual language underpinning it was normal in the comics I read, the street jokes I heard or the songs we sung – on the lips of us all in the playground.
Following on from that there’s the tv and radio I enjoyed at home. The B&W Minstrel Show, and every sitcom and stand-up comedian earning a living in the 70s. Racism was normal, a way of life, not an anomaly.
I was lucky to move to London in my early 20s and work in the Civil Service in central London. Many of my colleagues were black or south Asian so I had to learn and change, and I remember being ripped a new one by a lovely young black woman called Jenny who I worked with at the time. I arrived at work grizzling about a ‘black man’s’ behaviour on the Tube, rather than a ‘man’s’ behaviour’, and she challenged me about my language and attitude. I turned a corner because it was someone I liked and worked with laying it in the line in a very brave way.
I’ve gone on a bit, but what I want to say that is that to this day I still have to try hard not to use lazy, embedded racist tropes and language that comes automatically to me because like a naff song you can’t get it out of your head if you grew up on it.
Went on a bit longer than I planned, but I fear these days that any progress we made feels like sleeping dogs, rather than real change.
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Iks – I think there is hope because younger generations really have had this shit educated out of them from a young age, and they never experienced the constant casual racism that you talk about. Fortunately, the ‘PC gone mad’ crowd have lost the battle.
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@Thaum – I think this is right. And in terms of older generations there are clearly differences between people being deliberately unpleasant and those who just haven’t kept up with changes in language etc. Now obviously our language reflects our attitudes to some extent, but it has to be seen as a sliding scale I think.
In terms of the drivel in the news though I don’t think “Are you a racist family?” was a meaningful question and as such was unlikely to elicit a meaningful answer.
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CMW – yeah. Who exactly is going to answer ‘yes’ to that question? Even if we all know it’s true, at least for certain family members.
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@Thaum – Well, you know, I’ve got this uncle who I have my suspicions about and then there’s my grandfather who comes out with all sorts. Then there’s whatserface who seems OK, but god knows what she really thinks, but then so and so’s not like that at all etc etc .
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@Craigs, didn’t say what the ratio of work to lunches would be to be fair to me.
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‘The money will be split on a sliding scale between the unions, with England receiving Ā£95m, Wales Ā£50 and Ireland Ā£48m ahead of Scotland’s share.’
Wonder what Italy & France’s share is
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Scotland’s is Ā£44.5m apparently
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They’ll be hoping for more than Wales’ Ā£50.
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I guess they felt the WRU would only waste it if they gave them more.
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I see the northern tribes are all hunkered and bunkered in antici-Pation of the battles to come this weekend. Fair enough! But it means you have to put up with my nonsensical frothing for a while longer. So to it:
Italy’s coach has suggested they’re eight years from parity with the rest of the 6N sides, a lovely way to try and ensure employment in Rome for a decade! To be fair to him, Rome wasn’t built in a day. To be realistic, it’ll take Wales about 10 minutes to dismantle any structures already erected and then kick sand in the face of the beleaguered Italian side. Wales by 30-something
England versus France. One of the great Test battles of global rugby. England have their backs to the wall and need to develop that siege mentality that gets them through by the narrowest of margins. With a pack that can stand toe to toe with anyone, but prone to penalties, will a back division that has failed to spark be up to it against a France side brimming with confidence and sense a wounded prey, there for the taking? Or will a slightly rusty and disrupted France, having sat out a round and had worries over new Covid scares take too long to get into their stride and leave it all a bit late? Tough call! I have a feeling that England will prevail by a point!
And finally, as we get to Sunday’s sumptuous dessert, it’s fury and flash Scotland against fury and bash Ireland. No royal stereotyping here, but this’ll be furious, with flash and bash in equal share. With no idea of the sides for the match, I can confidently say that Scotland’s backs are better (or would be if they’re all fit), but Ireland’s unsmiling forwards have the edge up front. It’s gonna be epic, folks. Scotland by 2 points, late, late in the day.
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On the basis of the best stuff we’ve seen from them Italy could make things hard for Wales by scoring a good few points themselves. Even if they do then Wales ought to be able to sort it out and pull away eventually. Chances are though that the Italians won’t be able to cut out the mistakes and will cough up some easy tries to get Wales on their way. Wales by anything from a little to a lot, I’ll go 25.
Expecting a much better performance from England. France might be caught a bit cold and in any case only did just enough against Ireland. No bad result possible, France win or England by 8+ would be best though. England by 7.
Would be really disappointing if Scotland don’t beat Ireland this time round as it will mean no real breakthrough yet again. Fear the worst if they don’t have an outside half though. Can see Scotland being more than competitive up front, but not necessarily making the most of it. Ireland by 6.
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‘Scotlandās backs are better (or would be if theyāre all fit), but Irelandās unsmiling forwards have the edge up front.’
Hmm. in the centres Henshaw & Ringrose are better than our Harris (grown into his role of late to be fair) and whoever partners him (likely to be Johnson Judging by the rumours).
Russell fit apparently & happy with him over Sexton or whoever, Price is decent enough.
Likely Maitland / DVDM / Hogg back 3 which I’m more than happy with.
At least equal overall in the backs. Not sure how the forward battle will go. Z-fags is a big loss, and if we let the irish pack get into to their disrupting and boshing stride it will be a long afternoon.
Ireland by 87.3
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England by 4. think it’ll be close but France have been too disrupted to be at peak
Wales by 24. Italy will score some nice tries but will be a mere speed bump on the way to the Wales’ Jam Slam
Will leave further Scotland / Ireland predictions till I’ve seen the teams.
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@Chimpie – That’s good news about Russell. I’ll stick with my prediction as even with Russell Scotland haven’t been good enough at converting pressure into points, but hopefully this will be the time when they put everything together.
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Wales really have their tails up. Italy will look competitive for the first 30 and then fade. Wales by 30+.
France may come out of the traps a little sluggishly, but England’s indiscipline will gift them territory and points. France by 7
Scotland rely on kicking for territory and Ireland play a possession-based game. Ireland’s forwards will prove too strong for Scotland, despite some excitement and exchanges of the lead. Ireland by 5.
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@CMW
Yes the whole pressure to points conversion thing and wasting opportunities thing is driving me up the wall. Carry on like that we’ll definitely bork it.
it’s where Wales have been highly efficient.
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@Chimpie – It seems harsh to be critical of them for the England game which was of course magnificent in many ways, but they really should have won by more. The pretty dreadful game in Llanelli is another case in point. Should really have been even further ahead of Wales this last time too so it is a worry. I do think it’s in there for them to batter someone soon, just have a nasty feeling for them about this one, partly because it stands out as an opportunity.
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yup. Should have won in England by more. Should have been out of sight by early second have last time out against Wales. Totally arsed a clear try opportunity after half time, then spewed up some penalties, Wales score, red card arrgh etc. etc.
That’s rugby innit.
Thought the game in Llanelli was more in the balance TBH. The wind caused some amusing interludes from memory.
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Wind often causes amusing interludes
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The weather was very bad in Llanelli which restricted scoring, but Wales did so little they still shouldn’t have been in touch.
Howling Julio recently asked Mrs CMW if she needed a bum change when she farted.
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HJ, Sancho Panza and Heimat Zwei are all using the potty now with varying degrees of success. HJ has become interested in what things are, probably more specifically what things are called in English as he doesn’t get any of that at either of his homes. Yesterday’s exchange that I overheard when he was on the potty was a good one:
HJ: What that?
Mrs CMW: That’s a potty.
HJ: What that?
Mrs CMW: That’s a (toy) car.
HJ: What that?
Mrs CMW: That’s your penis.
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Kidz. Gotta love ’em
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HJ’s Hungarian mother made me laugh a while back too. Mrs CMW often gives parents a run down of how many times their kids have been to the loo, how many nappy changes and when etc especially if anything has been unusual. While obviously not a normal topic of conversation in everyday life there is of course some sense to this in the circumstances. Anyway she gave Mrs Julio a detailed account of how many poos etc only to receive a stony-faced stare and the question: “Why would I be interested in this?”
It’s become a bit of a family catchphrase as a result.
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I have said it on occasion to the TV and radio in the last week. In my best Hungarian accent of course.
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Richard Freeman guilty of Testosterone dealing……………………………Team Sky and British Cycling will be looking over their shoulders, not to mention one or two ex-stars.
Where’s the Pro when you need him?
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One of the tattoos is looking good today.
‘Pro Knows
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@slade
This should be Expro’s moment of triumph where he has been proved right finally.
Instead he’s banging on the Guardian website about how wonderful the EU is at vaccines compared to the dastardly UK.
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w/end forecasts:
Wales by more than 15: they’re a team getting into their stride with something to play for
England by 4: half of me doesn’t want them to win because the house needs shaking up but I think they will
respond out of pride
Ireland by 6: as someone said above, Ireland’s pack are stronger and forwards win matches. Scottish heart and
vigor not enough to compensate
I’m looking forward to all the games – there’s plenty to play for in all of them.
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@OT
I’ve not spotted him on the Graun., Quixotic…………….
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the green meanies:
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‘your’ Exeter team to play ‘Quins:
15 Facundo Cordero, 14 Alex Cuthbert, 13 Ian Whitten, 12 Tom Hendrickson, 11 Tom OāFlaherty
10 Joe Simmonds (capt), 9 Stu Townsend
1 Alec Hepburn, 2 Jack Innard, 3 Harry Williams
4 Jannes Kirsten, 5 Sam Skinner
6 Dave Ewers, 7 Jacques Vermeulen, 8 Sam Simmonds
16 Elvis Taione, 17 Ben Moon, 18 Marcus Street, 19 Sean Lonsdale, 20 Richard Capstick, 21 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne, 22 Harvey Skinner, 23 Ollie Devoto
Nervous about this and Exeter are shorn of key players, presumably including Sam Skinner (so Exeter website must either know something or have made an error).
Simmonds vs Dombrandt; Simmonds vs. Smith; Townsend in to nullify Care.Just glad Vermeulen and Kirsten are back.
Will be a good contest!
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Grrr
healy herring furlong
Henderson Ryan
Beirne Stander Connors
Gibson-Park Sexy
Henshaw Ringworm
Earls Lowe Keenan
Kelleher Killcoyne Porter Baird Conan Murray Burns Larmour
Bosh
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That’s a pretty strong pack & replacements. half backs and back 3 not quite as convincing.
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5 Sam Skinner
Poop. was hoping he would be subbing for us come Sunday.
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The Pro will be psyching himself up for his favourite game of the year…….Scotland vs Ireland.
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so much opportunity for rage
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I should imagine a vigorous warm-up routine is being carried out right now amid shouts and gasps of ‘project player’ and ‘grandparent’.
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Is there an Italy team out?
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Scotland team to play Ireland at BT Murrayfield in the 2021 Guinness Six Nations
Sunday 14 March (kick-off 3pm) ā live on BBC Sport
15. Stuart Hogg CAPTAIN (Exeter Chiefs) ā 82 caps
14. Sean Maitland (Saracens) ā 51 caps
13. Chris Harris (Gloucester) ā 25 caps
12. Sam Johnson (Glasgow Warriors) ā 15 caps
11. Duhan van der Merwe (Edinburgh) ā 7 caps
10. Finn Russell VICE CAPTAIN (Racing 92) ā 53 caps
9. Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors) ā 39 caps
1. Rory Sutherland (Edinburgh) ā 13 caps
2. George Turner (Glasgow Warriors) ā 14 caps
3. WP Nel (Edinburgh) ā 42 caps
4. Scott Cummings (Glasgow Warriors) ā 19 caps
5. Jonny Gray (Exeter Chiefs) ā 63 caps
6. Jamie Ritchie VICE CAPTAIN (Edinburgh) ā 24 caps
7. Hamish Watson (Edinburgh ā 38 caps
8. Matt Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors) ā 11 caps
Substitutes:
16. David Cherry (Edinburgh) ā 2 caps
17. Jamie Bhatti (Bath Rugby) ā 16 caps
18. Simon Berghan (Edinburgh) ā 28 caps
19. Grant Gilchrist (Edinburgh) ā 42 caps
20. Nick Haining (Edinburgh) ā 5 caps
21. Scott Steele (Harlequins) ā 2 caps
22. Huw Jones (Glasgow Warriors) ā 28 caps
23. Darcy Graham (Edinburgh) ā 16 caps
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Pretty much as expected once Finn was declared fit? I think it’s a shame Graham isn’t starting, but never mind.
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Who is Scott Steele? A scrum-half presumably, did he come on in the other games?
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Interesting.
No back up 10. Hogg presumably will step in if Finn goes off.
If Hogg crocked too, err…..
Backs replacements full jizzathon.
Replacement props are going to get stuffed up their hole at scrum time.
Back row quite lightweight in comparison to the not so jolly green giants.
Scotland by 54
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In reality Ireland by 8
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Yes, Scott Steele had his first cap vs. Wales last year when we won (ended up on the wing I think)
He’s had a couple more replacement appearances. Plays at quims.
Played in the same schools team as SHC (SHC was 10) apparently.
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Not really aware of David Cherry either. I guess most of the Pro14 games I’ve seen in the last couple of years have been the Welsh teams playing each other.
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More bench impact for Ireland.
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I guess the secondary school knew SHC would be coming to them so felt it was OK to pick him when he was in Primary 7.
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Cherry’s a decent player, bit of a late bloomer. Couldn’t get in the pro pathway back in the day, ended up at London Scottish, then stade Nicois & came back to Embra a couple of years ago. Got his dayboo against England.
Solid set piece and decent round the park. Doubt he’ll be our weak point.
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@Chimpie – Hopefully Burns can make an impact from the bench.
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