We extended the restrictions from around ten days ago to the 19th of July when the infections were running at around 10k per day.
It’s been found that each case has around two close contacts – potentially that is 84k infections.
It doesn’t make sense to me to be lifting all restrictions on the 19th of this month, it would make more sense to wait until we’ve reached “herd immunity” levels of vaccinations – the WHO quote 95% immunity for that, right now we have 86.2% of the adult population double vaccinated with 64.3% having a single dose.
This just seems to me to be throwing away a golden opportunity for the sake of a few weeks.
Mind you that seems to be par for the course for this government.
I’ve seen it suggested that every journalist should ask every government minister at every opportunity to name the source of the evidence that suggests it’s a good idea to drop all restrictions on the 19th, plus end isolation for those who come in contact with a confirmed case next month.
@Thaum, the first paragraph made me give out a hollow laugh
“On Monday, Boris Johnson announced a move to stage 4 easing of lockdown in England on 19 July, meaning all mandatory restrictions are to be dropped, and become a matter of personal responsibility.”
ie, “It’s not our fault that people are mixing and spreading the virus, they should have exercised personal responsibility”
I think everyone would hope that article is proven wrong, Craigs, but there is more chance of it happening as a result of current government policy.
point of order, and more evidence of my piss poor proof reading – the 95% immunisation for herd immunity as per my previous quote was for measles – mea culpa, I didn’t read the article properly, I skimmed it for speed.
The WHO says that no one knows what level of vaccination is necessary for herd immunity to Covid, but the variants are currently adapting by becoming more transmissible
Ticht – in which case, what to do. I don’t think we’ll get 100% vaccination levels so do we live (and accept the risk) with this virus or lockdown for a long time despite vaccinations being shown to work. If the situation changes then fine but we’ll have to live with covid and it’s variants forever.
Covid rates are going through the roof up here, been a lot of cases amongst people I know. Obviously haven’t exercised sufficient personal responsibility
Opening is happening, hindsight will say whether it’s a good idea. I hope it’ll be OK but sadly suspect it won’t. Most people I know will be still exercising precautions.
If we’re talking about personal responsibility (and I’m excluding vulnerable people from this), I would have liked to have seen more of a fitness drive from the government. Being fit and healthy seems to be the best way to combat this disease after vaccinations.
Ireland beat 14-man Scotland handily enough (15 vs 15 – well, who knows) and were comfortable vs Wales, then got overpowered by England.
Italy were handily beaten by Wales, narrowly lost to France and then hammered Scotland.
On the Wales form, Ireland ought to win.. on the Scotland form it’ll be closer
And if you’ve not followed the results France handily beat Wales and lost to England (after leading 3-19 at ht). So, Wales points to Ireland but the England score makes it more of a match.
Ireland have made a lot of changes for today – and have throughout . Today, we see one James Humphreys at #10.
One good scrum and then Slipper slips face first into the turf. Not a Cinderella moment for him. Penalty sees France go 0-8 up! Aussies can’t get anything to stick at the moment.
France try to play the half out and Jelench takes a ball standing still before giving up a penalty. Aussies fuck up the subsequent line out. Not good by either side.
Strange last passage there, but France will be happy thus far I think. Scrum is creaking, but otherwise doing ok with an inexperienced side. Definitely look better with ball in hand than the Wallabies do.
Ovally Balls 
Refit – unless you mean 100k per day?
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@Craigs – well, we’re at about 10k per day at the moment, so…
Yeah, lots of people get flu, but the mortality rate is several factors lower for that.
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Refit – yeah, twas what I thought. Mortality does seem to depend on various factors though .
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28,000 cases in the UK today: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
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Flu mortality is way way below Covid.
800,000 patients presenting with flu to doctors in a normal year seems high to me, craigs.
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The good news is the level of ICU admissions and death is much lower than it was last year and earlier this year.
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“28,000 cases in the UK today: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk”
We extended the restrictions from around ten days ago to the 19th of July when the infections were running at around 10k per day.
It’s been found that each case has around two close contacts – potentially that is 84k infections.
It doesn’t make sense to me to be lifting all restrictions on the 19th of this month, it would make more sense to wait until we’ve reached “herd immunity” levels of vaccinations – the WHO quote 95% immunity for that, right now we have 86.2% of the adult population double vaccinated with 64.3% having a single dose.
This just seems to me to be throwing away a golden opportunity for the sake of a few weeks.
Mind you that seems to be par for the course for this government.
I’ve seen it suggested that every journalist should ask every government minister at every opportunity to name the source of the evidence that suggests it’s a good idea to drop all restrictions on the 19th, plus end isolation for those who come in contact with a confirmed case next month.
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86.2% of the adult population double vaccinated with 64.3% having a single dose.
Soz, I got that the wrong way round, 64.2% are double vaccinated, 86.2% have had the one jab.
piss poor editing skillz
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or proofreading even – proving a point in fact.
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At least 95% is a threshold that I can frown at. Does anyone know why the pace of vaccinations has dropped?
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VIVE LA FRANCE! Hope its a great match today and we see some good adventurous rugby played by both sides.
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Craigs, previously the vaccination numbers have dropped due to supply issues.
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Ticht – fair enough.
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Deebs – really can’t decide who to support.
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Ticht – good article here: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jul/07/ditching-england-covid-restrictions-dangerous-mass-experiment
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Going with France. Gwan France!!!
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@Thaum, the first paragraph made me give out a hollow laugh
“On Monday, Boris Johnson announced a move to stage 4 easing of lockdown in England on 19 July, meaning all mandatory restrictions are to be dropped, and become a matter of personal responsibility.”
ie, “It’s not our fault that people are mixing and spreading the virus, they should have exercised personal responsibility”
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I hope that article is proven wrong tbh.
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I think everyone would hope that article is proven wrong, Craigs, but there is more chance of it happening as a result of current government policy.
point of order, and more evidence of my piss poor proof reading – the 95% immunisation for herd immunity as per my previous quote was for measles – mea culpa, I didn’t read the article properly, I skimmed it for speed.
The WHO says that no one knows what level of vaccination is necessary for herd immunity to Covid, but the variants are currently adapting by becoming more transmissible
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Ticht – in which case, what to do. I don’t think we’ll get 100% vaccination levels so do we live (and accept the risk) with this virus or lockdown for a long time despite vaccinations being shown to work. If the situation changes then fine but we’ll have to live with covid and it’s variants forever.
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Wurr all doomed!
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Covid rates are going through the roof up here, been a lot of cases amongst people I know. Obviously haven’t exercised sufficient personal responsibility
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Opening is happening, hindsight will say whether it’s a good idea. I hope it’ll be OK but sadly suspect it won’t. Most people I know will be still exercising precautions.
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I’m going with Australia
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for the win that is
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My prediction going as well as ever
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If we’re talking about personal responsibility (and I’m excluding vulnerable people from this), I would have liked to have seen more of a fitness drive from the government. Being fit and healthy seems to be the best way to combat this disease after vaccinations.
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Nice try for France. Terrible conversion attempt
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I think Ire vs Italy should be interesting.
Ireland beat 14-man Scotland handily enough (15 vs 15 – well, who knows) and were comfortable vs Wales, then got overpowered by England.
Italy were handily beaten by Wales, narrowly lost to France and then hammered Scotland.
On the Wales form, Ireland ought to win.. on the Scotland form it’ll be closer
And if you’ve not followed the results France handily beat Wales and lost to England (after leading 3-19 at ht). So, Wales points to Ireland but the England score makes it more of a match.
Ireland have made a lot of changes for today – and have throughout . Today, we see one James Humphreys at #10.
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It’d also be good for people to have decent sick pay and greater rights at work in general. But, y’know.
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Good angle from the Aussie center.
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centre but it looks forward on replay.
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Sure Tomp. No argument from me on that account.
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Shame, that was a great line. Pretty marginal though
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Australia super sloppy. I like the colour of the shirts.
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Ouch. Good hands but Aussie defence is nowhere.
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Aussies mince the French scrum but Villiers in again.
My prediction may be a bit wrong. Wallabies being error-tastic
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One good scrum and then Slipper slips face first into the turf. Not a Cinderella moment for him. Penalty sees France go 0-8 up! Aussies can’t get anything to stick at the moment.
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My feed is about 2 minutes slow apparently! 🐌 Still quicker and more organised than the Wallaby defence though.
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Aussie outside half is having a tough time.
France going to be getting a card soon.
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This is fun.
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62% possession for the Wallabies but nada on the board
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Big drive from the Aussie pack races over the line. Back in le jeu.
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Goal good so 15-7.
Aussie have had two or three penalties right under the sticks and gone to the line-out each time. Not sure I approve, scrum offers loads of space.
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My comment timing impeccable as always
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Yeah, can you shut up until France are out of sight, please? Ta.
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France try to play the half out and Jelench takes a ball standing still before giving up a penalty. Aussies fuck up the subsequent line out. Not good by either side.
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Shut up Chimpie.
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Strange last passage there, but France will be happy thus far I think. Scrum is creaking, but otherwise doing ok with an inexperienced side. Definitely look better with ball in hand than the Wallabies do.
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Aussie analysis rubbish until Mehrtens comes in to save the day.
Is StanSports names after the Eminem character?
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