Onna telly forra next two weeks
Friday 21st April
| Cheetahs v Sharks | 13:30 | Sky Sports Arena |
| Pumas v Western Province | 15:30 | Sky Sports Arena |
| Stormers v Treviso | 17:30 | Viaplay Xtra / TG4 |
| Ulster v Edinburgh | 19:35 | Viaplay Sports 1 |
| Newcastle v Northampton | 19:45 | BT Sport 1 |
Saturday 22nd April
| Lions v Zebre | 13:00 | Viaplay Sports 1 |
| Ireland v England (women) | 14:15 | BBC2 / RTÉ2 |
| Dragons v Scarlets | 15:00 | BBC1 Wales / Viaplay Sports 2 |
| Harlequins v Bath | 15:00 | BT Sport 2 |
| Bulls v Leinster | 15:05 | Viaplay Sports 1 / TG4 |
| Scotland v Italy (women) | 16:45 | BBC iPlayer |
| Ospreys v Cardiff | 17:15 | BBC iPlayer / S4C / Viaplay Sports 1 |
| Sharks v Munster | 17:15 | TG4 / Viaplay Sports 1 |
| Gloucester v Sale | 17:30 | BT Sport 2 |
| Glasgow v Connacht | 19:35 | TG4 / Viaplay Sports 1 |
Sunday 23rd April
| Saracens v London Irish | 15:00 | BT Sport 1 |
| France v Wales (women) | 15:15 | BBC1 Wales / iPlayer |
Saturday 29th April
| England v France (women) | 13:00 | BBC2 |
| Leinster v Toulouse | 15:00 | ITV1 / RTÉ2 / BT Sport 3 |
| Italy v Wales (women) | 15:30 | iPlayer / S4C |
| Scarlets v Glasgow | 17:30 | S4C / BT Sport 3 |
| Scotland v Ireland (women) | 19:30 | iPlayer |
Sunday 30th April
| Toulon v Treviso | 12:30 | BT Sport 1 |
| La Rochelle v Exeter | 15:00 | BT Sport 1 |
Ovally Balls 
‘Mon ra WEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
All for the right to be (probably) pumped by Leinster in the semi finals. Glorious!
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Bugger.
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Well trhat’s us done. Down to 14 and two tries down.
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Too many players not at the races for Glasgow, Munster have played much smarter rugby, their defence is very good.
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Well, we haven’t been nilled.
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Well, that was another case where the attacking player was at fault for the head collision imo. Unfortunately for him, he came off worse.
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Out flew the pass and floated wide
The defence crack’d from side to side
‘The curse has come upon me’, cried
The player named McBeth.
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Munster the deserved winners.
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I read another caption to that which said, “See that guy? He literally can’t sweat”
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DCC took time out from tweeting attacks on trans people? I’m impressed.
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Refit – didn’t know he was doing that. :-(
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Yeah, I actually unfollowed him over it. Hopefully he’s calmed down, but for a period last year, at least, it was just non-stop.
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Turns out one of my family members is non-binary/trans. Didn’t know this when we were having discussions on the subject about a year ago. They are still exactly the same very funny and lovely person they were before they came out, and a lot happier and healthier now they’re out. I just don’t get the hatred.
I confess we struggle with the pronouns, though.
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Glad your relative has ‘found’ themselves. I have some they/them friends. It can be tricky with updated pronouns (and even after a couple of years, I’ll get them wrong in my head), but you’ll get there.
I do believe that most terfs have never actually met a trans person, outside of an antagonistic situation. Pretty sure most of them would change their minds if they did – the most brain-rotted ones excepted.
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Yes, the likes of JK Rowling seem to imagine that every trans woman is a rapist just posing as trans to get in the women’s toilets or something. I suppose it’s possible (the Scottish case), but extreme cases make bad law, as every fule no.
My problem with they/them is that they’re plural pronouns, and it’s therefore often confusing, rather than using a different pronoun as such.
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They/them – except when you’re referring to a singular person, of course 😏
“Did you see what happened to that person? They just slipped on the ice.”
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Refit – yes, that’s clear enough! It’s when you don’t have a clear single-person antecedent that it gets tricky.
The first time I came across they/them was (unsurprisingly) in a Guardian article about Jack Monroe, which also included mention of Jack’s child. (And I discarded a pronoun there because ‘their child’ was already slightly confusing: did Jack have a child with the Guardian?) Throughout the article, I was rather mystified by the prominence the child was getting, until they explained about half-way through about the pronoun. I had to go back and read the whole thing again to understand it properly.
Obviously not a great effort in the grand scheme of things.
There are also a lot of people – quite a few family members included – who had literally never heard about this before. I had a slight head start! And your contributions to the discussion we’d been having shortly before I found out were very helpful too, so many thanks for that.
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Glad to have been of some help.
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Didn’t know that Cat had such strong views on the trans issue. Strange.
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Toonie staying after the RWC after all.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/65531121
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I suppose he’d like to add the 6N, Grand Slam and Triple Crown to his CV after lifting the Webb-Ellis. Makes sense.
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Interesting Graun team of the season from the Premiership. I haven’t watched enough of it, but five Saffers and three Argentines in the run on 15?
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/may/09/from-santiago-carreras-to-jasper-wiese-2022-23-premiership-team-of-the-season-rugby-union
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All for the right to be (probably) pumped by Leinster in the semi finals
Leinster will go fairly loaded for this I’d imagine – even with the LaR game next week – they won’t want a second trophy less season ( as we love to point out down here )
Munster will be scratching around to some extent – Murray, Snyman, Nash and Fekitoa out – O’Mahony under observation….
Saturday was a big turnaround from Thomond. Defence was back to its early standards after the weird interval of Scarlets, Glasgow and Sharks.
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Taxi driver? Or is that a small truck?
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Deebee – the size of him, that could be a large truck
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Sbt – she looks like Christine and the Queens on speed.
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Arggghhh. Cat doesn’t hate trans people.
Refit – he is genuinely saddened by your falling out, but he also has direct experience in trying to help vulnerable female prisoners which I think was the crux of your disagreement.
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Craigs – I imagined all the times he told me trans women were an inherent risk to women, in public toilets and trans women are going to destroy women’s sports?
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It’s possible Cat has changed in the past year, but I blocked him a while ago, as I just don’t want that kind of shit in my timeline.
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Refit – he’s distinguishing between trans people and predatory men who are using TWAW as a loophole to gain access to women’s single sex spaces. The point is that males are an inherent risk to females in those spaces and trans women fall within that (male) category.
And he’s even acknowledging that it’s shit for the majority of trans people who don’t pose a risk.
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No, he was constantly inferring that ALL trans people who entered women’s changing rooms/toilets etc should be viewed with the suspicion that they’re possibly a man in disguise, out to assault people. Despite the fact that trans people are more likely to be assaulted in places like these and are now just being accused of obscene acts, when they just want to dry their hands
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/trans-woman-daily-mail-article-1234690463/
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Refit – he’s saying that males are a risk to females in these spaces. By virtue of them being male, not because they are trans and it’s why the Equality Act specifically provides for this.
Maybe think of it this way, 99% of sex offenders are male, which represents 1 – 3% of all males aged between 15 and 69 (the figures in the second bullet in the main points section cited below). Therefore, roughly 1 – 3% of males (and by extension trans women) are sex offenders. So 97 – 99 out of 100 trans people are NOT sex offenders. But the remaining 1 – 3 are the reason why single sex spaces are needed.
Again, this has nothing to do with them being trans and everything to do with male patterns of violence.
And yes, 97% of the people excluded on this basis are going to feel hard done by but.. fucking hell, it’s rape and sexual assault we’re talking about. That’s as clear as I can make it.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/sexualoffencesinenglandandwalesoverview/march2020
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There’s a whole load of other reasons for keeping these spaces single sex but that’s the primary one.
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AGAIN – the argument put forward is ALL TRANS WOMEN COULD BE A MAN IN A DRESS. Trans people have been using the toilet of their chosen gender for decades, with very little issue.
Do you truly believe that either of these people should have to use the ladies toilets? Would women feel safer with them there, instead of the mens?
Trans people just want to have a piss in peace. In fact, one of the main results of the ‘trans panic’ is gender non-confirming cis women being attacked instead. Round of fucking applause there.
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Oh, and the “we can always tell” crowd are just talking laughable bollocks, as proved by the cis women being harassed and things like this
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Craigs – and what about the fact that trans women are more likely to be assaulted in male-only toilets?
I’ve said it before, but I think the number of genuine trans women who are predators is surely as close as possible to zero. That leaves the possibility of men posing as trans women as a danger, but in my experience most men of that kind are very unlikely to pose as women. I concede it’s a faint possibility.
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It is depressing, how trans men are ALWAYS forgotten in situations like this.
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The funniest thing about that ‘we can always tell’ tweet, above, is that the bottom right photo is JK Rowling and she ended up changing her profile pic on Twitter just after that happened.
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What’s depressing is that this is the same language used about gay people 30-40 years ago, they will corrupt/assault/rape
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Refit, I have a rugby question for you. It seems Magnus Bradbury won the players’ player of the year at Bristol.
He was omitted from the Scotland larger squad for RWC, I think Townsend really goes for workaholics on the park and Bradbury had a propensity to drift out of games for Edinburgh.
How’s his workmate been?
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It seems to me that, apart from the TERFs, most of the people commenting on this issue are men. Men who will have absolutely no idea what most women go through on a day-to-day basis in evaluating risk everywhere you go. Let’s just say that trans people are waaaay down the bottom of the risk list.
And I’ve had a stalker, albeit thankfully quite a low-level one. Even if the numpty had had the idea and the gumption to dress as a woman to follow me into a public toilet, public toilets are, well, public. You’re not alone for long, if at all. Also, women’s toilets have individual, lockable cubicles. I don’t care who’s in the next one, or who’s washing and drying their hands next to me. (I’m more worried about the ones who don’t wash their hands.)
Stalkers are far more likely to follow you to a car in a deserted area, otherwise follow you home, or stake out your house. They’re crazy, but not crazy enough to assault you in a place where anyone might walk in at any minute.
And, as Refit says, what about trans men? Should they be forced to use women’s toilets? Should men be shivering in fear at the idea that they might using men’s bogs, what with their potentially enhanced testosterone levels?
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work rate even, damn autocorrect
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Ticht – Bris haven’t been on the TV that much. Nothing really stands out, about Bradbury – however I don’t get an instant “oh, that tit!”, so I’d take that as a positive 🤷♂️
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Refit/Thaum/Ticht – that’s not the argument Cat was putting forward, nor me. I’ve literally laid it out to show that it is a small proportion of trans women. Trans men don’t pose the same risk to males so there’s no reason to factor them into this discussion. The nature of being trans is not the issue here, being male is. I don’t think being trans us just putting on a dress either. I’ve never said that and neither has Cat.
I think that there should be more gender neutral toilets to prevent trans women from being forced to use the men’s and be risked being beaten up.
Ticht – there is nothing inherent about being gay that leads to an increased likelihood of committing sexual assault but there is in being male. I keep saying that word.
Thaum – it’s not just TERFs who think this and yes I am a man who spoke up but I was really defending Cat in the first instance. I don’t agree with Refits characterisation of him.
Refit – I’ve just looked through your timeline for the first time in months. I unfollowed you because you retweeted a video glorifying a woman being floored by a guy (from a film) after an old woman had her eye socket fractured by an antifa thug in NZ. That’s never justified. I don’t care what they think or who they turned up to see. I have to say it’s worrying how much violence you appear to justify against people you disagree with. Even when they are old women. You can just commit GBH on anyone who you decide is a Nazi right?
Anyway, whatever, I know what I think and why. I’ve tried explaining as best as I can.
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You’ll have to give me specifics regarding “justifying and glorifying violence”.
This is the gender critical crowd. This is someone lauded by Rowling and her chums. This is someone who was happy to have actual Nazis supporting her at rallies. This is a woman who advocates for armed men in womens areas “for protection”. Trans people just want to exist, these are the people that want to stop them doing that. Have a look through this thread
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I’ve scrolled back to Feb. Is it the man throwing the seig-heil being punched, that you objected to? Or the guy wearing a swastika? Or the bloke calling someone a p*ki?
The only other bit of ‘violence’ I could find, was when an anti-trans person tried to force her way into a crowd of counter protesters, in NZ, and was pushed back.
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Craigs, I’m getting over a bout of Covid so I don’t have much in the way of attention span – I was left exhausted doing the breakfast dishes just now. Apologies if I’m not clear here.
Anyway, my point about how this is being played out in public just now reminds me of the Section 28 years where “gayness” was attacking the moral fibre of the country. Schools were forbidden to talk about homosexuality for fear that it would encourage children to become gay, I’ve seen that with trans teachers recently. There are other parallels too.
I’m afraid that’s about it for now.
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